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		<title>By: Why I dismiss intelligent design &#124; Reasonable Dissent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why I dismiss intelligent design &#124; Reasonable Dissent</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure to which &quot;gods&quot; you are referring, but I&#039;ll leave that alone, rather than speculate. 

You didn&#039;t explain what you were trying to imply very clearly, but from reading from that link, my guess is that you think I&#039;m committing some kind of science crime and using it improperly to advance some side of the &quot;creation debate.&quot; Correct me if that&#039;s wrong. 

From your link, &quot;Anthropic Principle was originally formalized by Carter as an ideological statement against the dogmatic non-scientific prejudices that scientists commonly harbor, that cause them to... maintain an irrational cosmological bias that leads to absurd, &#039;Copernican-like&#039; projections of mediocrity that contradict what is actually observed.&quot; Is this what I did? In fact, I think I said something very in line with a non-Copernican-like theory: &quot;the very fact that we exist here means that this might just be exactly that special of a place.&quot; This is hardly &quot;anti-centrist dogma.&quot;

If you want to claim that misuse of the anthropic principle is causing a bias between evolution and intelligent design, it would help your credibility to not pick a side so obviously: &quot;However unfortunate, Carter&#039;s point lends a certain amount of real scientific credence to the claims of IDists...&quot; This sentence betrays the author&#039;s underlying agenda. 

I&#039;ve studied intelligent design some too, and I happen to think that it&#039;s pseudo-science at best. That doesn&#039;t mean that I&#039;ve dismissed all of its arguments simply because they are associated with the theory. But I do see evolution as the best theory that we have right now, and when I interpret things like the anthropic principle, I may give ideas in support of it. This is not a political move; it&#039;s the scientific model that makes the most sense to me, given the evidence. 

If I&#039;ve misunderstood your point, please correct me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure to which &#8220;gods&#8221; you are referring, but I&#8217;ll leave that alone, rather than speculate. </p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t explain what you were trying to imply very clearly, but from reading from that link, my guess is that you think I&#8217;m committing some kind of science crime and using it improperly to advance some side of the &#8220;creation debate.&#8221; Correct me if that&#8217;s wrong. </p>
<p>From your link, &#8220;Anthropic Principle was originally formalized by Carter as an ideological statement against the dogmatic non-scientific prejudices that scientists commonly harbor, that cause them to&#8230; maintain an irrational cosmological bias that leads to absurd, &#8216;Copernican-like&#8217; projections of mediocrity that contradict what is actually observed.&#8221; Is this what I did? In fact, I think I said something very in line with a non-Copernican-like theory: &#8220;the very fact that we exist here means that this might just be exactly that special of a place.&#8221; This is hardly &#8220;anti-centrist dogma.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you want to claim that misuse of the anthropic principle is causing a bias between evolution and intelligent design, it would help your credibility to not pick a side so obviously: &#8220;However unfortunate, Carter&#8217;s point lends a certain amount of real scientific credence to the claims of IDists&#8230;&#8221; This sentence betrays the author&#8217;s underlying agenda. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve studied intelligent design some too, and I happen to think that it&#8217;s pseudo-science at best. That doesn&#8217;t mean that I&#8217;ve dismissed all of its arguments simply because they are associated with the theory. But I do see evolution as the best theory that we have right now, and when I interpret things like the anthropic principle, I may give ideas in support of it. This is not a political move; it&#8217;s the scientific model that makes the most sense to me, given the evidence. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;ve misunderstood your point, please correct me.</p>
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		<title>By: island</title>
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		<dc:creator>island</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The anthropic principle is an incredibly useful and powerful idea that I think is misunderstood by far too many people.&lt;/i&gt;

LOL!!!... And you&#039;re FAAAAAAR from an exception, thanks to the ideological righteousness of the gods that you worship:

http://knol.google.com/k/richard-ryals/the-anthropic-principle/1cb34nnchgkl5/2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The anthropic principle is an incredibly useful and powerful idea that I think is misunderstood by far too many people.</i></p>
<p>LOL!!!&#8230; And you&#8217;re FAAAAAAR from an exception, thanks to the ideological righteousness of the gods that you worship:</p>
<p><a href="http://knol.google.com/k/richard-ryals/the-anthropic-principle/1cb34nnchgkl5/2" rel="nofollow">http://knol.google.com/k/richard-ryals/the-anthropic-principle/1cb34nnchgkl5/2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that if we&#039;re to label these, SAP would be more along the lines of deistic, rather than theistic. It may not be inconsistent with a theistic philosophy, but I think that it only implies the deistic god - created the universe &quot;just so&quot; for our eventual development and is otherwise indifferent and non-interventionist. Of course, Aquinas and others would like to make this jump from deism to (Christian) theism as small as possible, but I will always maintain that it&#039;s a non-trivial step that can&#039;t be glossed over.

As for the Final Anthropic Principle, I hadn&#039;t thought about it quite that far, but it does seem to be hinting at a lot of pantheistic qualities. It is certainly an extension of SAP, and I&#039;d have to agree that the details that it implies are very pantheistic.

Are you a full-fledged madman, or do you take your grapefruit with plenty of sugar on top? This, I can handle, I suppose, but I&#039;ve never gotten any further than that with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if we&#8217;re to label these, SAP would be more along the lines of deistic, rather than theistic. It may not be inconsistent with a theistic philosophy, but I think that it only implies the deistic god &#8211; created the universe &#8220;just so&#8221; for our eventual development and is otherwise indifferent and non-interventionist. Of course, Aquinas and others would like to make this jump from deism to (Christian) theism as small as possible, but I will always maintain that it&#8217;s a non-trivial step that can&#8217;t be glossed over.</p>
<p>As for the Final Anthropic Principle, I hadn&#8217;t thought about it quite that far, but it does seem to be hinting at a lot of pantheistic qualities. It is certainly an extension of SAP, and I&#8217;d have to agree that the details that it implies are very pantheistic.</p>
<p>Are you a full-fledged madman, or do you take your grapefruit with plenty of sugar on top? This, I can handle, I suppose, but I&#8217;ve never gotten any further than that with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would the  Strong Anthropic Principle be theistic and the Final more along the lines of pantheistic?

Also, apparently I&#039;m a madman, as I happen to like grapefruit.</description>
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<p>Also, apparently I&#8217;m a madman, as I happen to like grapefruit.</p>
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